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Kyiv Post quest: An apartment for only $35,000

21 January, 22:36 | Oksana Faryna, Kyiv Post Staff Writer
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Renters, buyers finding market to their liking

Inspired by a long-awaited drop in real estate prices, the Kyiv Post decided to go on a quest to find the cheapest apartment in Kyiv this month. The price of $35,000 for a single-room flat sounded like nonsense last autumn, but it does not surprise real estate agents any longer.

Not only has the market yet to hit bottom, discounts are coming fast and hard.

Prices quoted in a print copy of Aviso, the major real estate and classifieds weekly in Kyiv, become outdated quickly. The most current prices can be found on one of Kyiv’s many real estate websites, like, www.realt.ua. The same properties there can be thousands of dollars cheaper than in Aviso.

There are a few flats listed for $35,000, but some of them have serious drawbacks: One had no kitchen; another had a communal kitchen shared by several families.

Hoping to bargain the listed price down, the Kyiv Post picked out several options for viewing.

The first one was a 22-square-meter place for $35,000 on 11A Shepeleva Street in Solomyanskiy district. The second one was an even smaller, but slightly better located, 20-square-meter flat on 4 Pryladniy lane in Svyatoshinskiy district. The asking price was $38,000. The third choice sounded like the best option available: 30 square meters for $37,000 on 3 Holosiyivska Street in Holosiyivskiy district.

The first option has its advantages, the real estate agent said. “This house was built for Metrobud [municipal metro construction company] workers. That’s why it’s got very good heating,” the Blahovest real estate agent said, pointing to a nine-storied brick building. It’s a 10-minute minibus ride from Shulyavska metro station, and then a five-minute walk.  The walk is pleasant and takes you through a park where you can spot squirrels climbing trees.

The entrance is a typical metal door with a digital combination lock on it. A strong smell of cigarettes hits the nose as you enter the building, and walls are covered in graffiti of anarchy signs.

The flat looks neat and tidy. Nothing special, but liveable. It seems incredible, but apparently five square meters of kitchen space can fit a table, a sink, a stove, a cupboard and a fridge.

Having heard that my budget is limited to $30,000, the real estate agent says I would still have to find an extra $5,000 to cover her 5 percent brokerage fee and 2 percent payment of real estate and pension fund duty. Those add-ons are not included in the price – a nasty surprise for those who truly are looking to buy on a tight budget.

The next flat is even easier to get to. It is a three-minute ride by minibus from Akademmistechko metro station. The flat on 4 Pryladniy lane is a former dormitory, so one should not expect much. The entrance hall surprises with newly-painted walls and eight baby carriages standing neatly in a row. The impression is quickly spoiled by the corridors and stairwells shedding plaster, as if a bomb was recently dropped here.

The real estate agent recommends the apartment because the owners creatively redesigned it themselves. The room is green, with green curtains and a multi-level ceiling with nice lighting. The bathroom is done in red. There is no bath in it, just a shower. The small kitchen is fully outfitted, and the hall is bright yellow. It even has an Internet connection.

“It is completely enough for me and my husband, but we are expecting a baby and need a bigger flat,” the young owner explains, looking over her stylish and cozy flat. Finally, she drops the price to $35,500, but there is still an additional $2,500 that has to be paid to the broker.

The third flat sounds most promising: 30 square meters in total, with 19 meters of living space, a four-square meter kitchen in good condition, and just a 15-minute walk from Lybidska metro station. But this treasure was snapped right out of my hands. Disappointingly, the previous viewer left a down payment for this $37,000 property, and agreed to pay all additional expenses.

Apparently the cheapest flats are in great demand now, according to Mykhaylo Polyntsev, analyst at Planeta Obolon real estate agency. “But such options are very few. It is not easy to find apartments for this price. More realistic prices start from $45,000. You pay this for a more-or-less normal apartment. A flat with a good floor-plan in a new building around Poznyaky or Osokorky costs $50,000.”

Serhiy Kostetskiy, a realty specialist from SV Development real estate agency, said their database shows that, between October and December 2008, housing prices dropped by 33 percent in the secondary market, and 48 percent on the primary market [for new flats].

“A flat that used to cost $100,000 in September, nobody can sell for $40,000 now. House owners give 50 percents discounts and more,” he said. Prices on the secondary market continued to decline by about 2 percent per week this year, while the primary market has seen no deals at all.

Unable to sell, property owners have turned to other options such as renting. But the influx of new properties and other market factors have affected rent prices too.

In September, it was almost impossible to find a one-room flat for less than $550 per month. But now offerings for $200-$250 are common, Kostetskiy said, and nobody is in a hurry to grab them.

He also said only about 10 percent of property owners need money immediately and choose to sell now. The rest are waiting. “Most of them are profiteers. To sit out the crisis, they make basic upgrades and turn to the rental market. At the beginning of 2008, there were three flats per each request. Today, there are 20 flats per each person interested. That’s why prices are constantly going down.”

Most market players agree that making forecasts for the real estate market this year is equivalent to making wild guesses. Much depends on the actions of the government and the banks.

“If the state passes a good anti-crisis package of laws, protecting borrowers …and giving financial support to banks, prices will not drop by more than 30 to 40 percent,” Kostetskiy said. “But in the worst-case scenario, if nothing is done for the housing market, the further decrease in 2009 will be 50 percent.” He said prices would not rise any time soon.

So, if you’re lucky enough to have some savings in dollars, real estate agents say the best time to buy would be in the summer or autumn of 2009, when the bottom of the market is expected to be reached.

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Guest  (Guest) | 22.01.2009, 12:46
The economic crisis is growing. The boxes of the State are empty. The government has hands bound with all the requirements of the program of structural adjustment of the IMF. Capital assigned by the IMF is intended to stabilize the Banks who are in a catastrophic situation and have debts to be paid to the creditors. You should not dream . It\'s the market was very speculative and there it pays all its excesses . The US$ is going to play very important for the future tendencies . Without credits of Bank , there are no Buyers and the prices will continu to fall .
The failing of the borrowers on the real-estate market is going to increase, what is going to increase the seizures and to stress this infernal spiral of decline of the prices which will be very negative for Banks.
The effects of the financial crisis on the real economy is for the beginnings . The real-estate Bubble has just exploded and it is necessary to take into account the exchange rate $US / hr to see more clear on th
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Guest  (Guest) | 22.01.2009, 12:47
....to see more clear on the prices .....
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Guest  (Guest) | 22.01.2009, 14:01
Prices must come down, what goe up should go down. Even Confucius said that. The massive price fall will hit the arrogant ownesr who used to charge 50% commission for rent. This will be a lesson that they must have and for a long time to come. Why should Kiev be immune ffrom economic crisis, they are just deluding themselves. Massive depression is coming to Kiev soon.
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Guest99  (Guest) | 24.01.2009, 01:25
NZ Watcher,

By God do I know what you mean. It\'s what my (Ukrainian) wife calls the \"If I don\'t know about it already, it\'s not interesting, and therefore I don\'t want to know about it\" syndrome. Which is a long name for a syndrome (though shorter in Russian), but exactly right. Hence the wonderful Ukr/Rus estrada. And politics. And so on.
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Guest  (Guest) | 22.01.2009, 16:46
The problem with Ukraine can be summed up by the following:

I am an American real-estate developer, with experience in everything from commercial lending, commercial appraising, commercial development, and residential investing.

I lived in Ukraine for about 2 years - during which time the subject of real-estate in Kiev came up often. Typically, the conversations I had were with Ukrainians with little to no expertise in real-estate. I would mention to them that the Kiev market was in a bubble, and would eventually collapse. Every single one of them, without fail, dismissed my thoughts, and experience, insisting I didn\'t know what I was talking about - that real-estate in Kiev would never fall.

The point I\'m making has nothing to do with real-estate. It has to do with arrogance.
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Guest  (Guest) | 22.01.2009, 16:54
The ignorance, the lack of economic and financial culture led(drove) the Ukrainians to neglect the formation of the real-estate bubble. The arrogance is for the measure of their ignorance. If they had in mind that trees never rise up to the sky, maybe, that they would have listened to you! But their greediness, their big love for the speculative money is going to plunge them into big disappointments.
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NZ Watcher  (Guest) | 22.01.2009, 21:19
Yes – I agree
but really the same can be said for NZ people - Aussie and I am sure the USA.
The main issue Re Ukraine prices is that they were WAY out of line with incomes. Like 100/1
Annual salary x 40 = purchase price for average apartment - just a guess, but you know what I mean.
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NZ Watcher  (Guest) | 22.01.2009, 21:22
meant to be 40/1
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.01.2009, 13:51
With strict respect to real-estate - you are indeed correct, the real-estate prices were way out of whack with incomes. They still are. They will likely always be - unless you expect the average Kiev condo to drop to around $25,000.

I also agree the US and European real-estate markets ended in a bubble - but even speculators there would concede that at some point prices would likely drop. Certainly, newby investors with minimal to no experience would listen with diligence to someone more experienced than them in real-estate development.

The point I was trying to make is more universal in nature - you can point to a host of specifics regarding the Ukrainian real-estate bubble - but I\'m talking about the core problem with Ukraine, which affects all aspects of life, not just real-estate investing - its an over-arching arrogance.

I agree with the above, with the relation between ignorance and arrogance. Generally, arrogance is a replacement for substance.
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NZ Watcher  (Guest) | 23.01.2009, 22:09
Yes - I know what you are meaning.
I talked to a good friend of my wife’s (she is from Kiev) he worked for one of the main Kiev Banks. I asked about all the expensive cars been bought of late (I was there last July)
He answered with the reason that, buying cars was a good investment. I said, but vehicles are a depreciating asset and a poor investment. He then gave me his example of his old Lada, that it was still worth 2000-3000US$, same as he paid 12 years before. I tried to explain the reason why this was and also the difference between buying a 90K Lexus and a 3k vehicle, but I just couldn\'t get trough to him. like talking to a brick wall.
He had a good position in the bank, no wonder the country is in dire straits !!!!
Alex  (Guest) | 26.01.2009, 05:08
I guess the Usa is a Great Country because it is so perfect and no arrogance but I wonder where that country is today, maybe you could explain that to me as well as to the millions of Americans with no money, no job, no house and businesses closing everyday, the country going broke but of course they still have millions of solders killing people everyday all over the world, yes it is such a wonderful country.
Guest  (Guest) | 22.01.2009, 17:12
Is there a person who can explain to me why we always want to swindle a foreigner for the rent of an apartment? Why in this beautiful country, the prices for a foreigner are not ever the same for an Ukrainian?? Why for a rent of an apartment, there is a price of the owner and in more 50 % for the intermediary??
It is the Jungle?? Corruption, swindle are they in the landscape Ukrainian?? It is a big mortar
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.01.2009, 12:37
I\'m looking for a new apartment, and prices are still crazy at least for an American. But the agencies are the most arrogant. They want 100 percent of the first month rent as an agency fee. So if I find an apartment in the center for $3,000 (two bedrooms), I have to pay the agency $3,000 for -- to be honest -- lousy service and showing me maybe a total of 5 to 6 apartments.
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.01.2009, 13:17
J\'étais en Ukraine durant 6 fois pour mon travail . Je connais de mieux en mieux cette mentalité vorace , cupide , portée sur l\'argent . Ils voient en l\'étranger surtout occidental , celui qui a beaucoup d\'argent et qu\'il faut escroquer et plumer de toute sa fortune . Les prix pour la location des appartements sont vraiment fous dans un environnement pollué par les déchets ménagers et l\'absence d\'entretien dans les parties communes . Les prix exorbitants ne sont pas justifiés par l\'offre de ces appartements . Les propriétaires trouvaient cela très normal d\'escroquer les étrangers dans un pays rongé par la grande corruption à tous les niveaux . Je pense que cette crise est salutaire pour le marché immobilier en Ukraine afin de remettre les choses à leur place et les prix en conformité avec l\'offre . VIVE la Crise
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Guest  (Guest) | 24.01.2009, 17:10
Say what?
Johan de Broyer  (Guest) | 22.01.2009, 21:36
Radical cheap: $1,000 homes
http://finance.yahoo.com/n ews/Radical-cheap-1000-cnnm-14005 833.html
The real estate market is so awful that buyers are now scooping up homes for as little as $1,000. There are 18 listings in Flint, Mich., for under $3,000, according to Realtor.com. There are 22 in Indianapolis, 46 in Cleveland and a whopping 709 in Detroit. All of these communities have been hit hard by foreclosures, and most of these homes are being sold by the lenders that repossessed them. \"Foreclosures have turned banks into property management companies,\" said Heather Fernandez, a spokeswoman for Trulia.com, the real estate Web site. \"And it\'s often cheaper for them to give these homes away rather than try to get market value for them.\" In Detroit for instance, Century 21 Villa owner Randy Eissa has a three-bedroom, one-bath bungalow of about 1,000 square feet listed at just $500. My opinion is that Kyiv is very expensive, if I look at the prices in America!! kyiv-capital.com.ua
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Ukrainecd  (Guest) | 22.01.2009, 22:32
Typical story you should be a news reporter as you only report a fraction of this story. Even 3rd world country citizens might not want to live in the areas you speak of and the \"houses\" for sale there. Forget about the conditions for a minute and think the safety of the neighborhoods you are talking about. Once again these articles and comments make me laugh!!
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.01.2009, 13:04
35k huh,, I\'d like to see the location and condition.. putting out news headline grabbers doesn\'t attract much but the gullible..
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.01.2009, 14:22
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almost impossible to find a one-room flat for less than $550 per month.
\"

Wow, Kiev is still expensive for the capital of a 3rd world coutntry. Here in Los Angeles, you can get a 1 room apartmetn with kitchen, living room, bathroom, plus air conditioning, heating, for $1000 in a good neighborhood and the excellent weather of California.

Something is amiss in Kiev, in my opinion.
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Texas Racer  (Guest) | 23.01.2009, 22:26
$1000 for a \"good\" neighborhood in California? Are you joking? Compton? Watts? Surely you are not referring to sunny Southern California?
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.01.2009, 14:30
I mean to say $1000 per month. No pets of course.
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.01.2009, 17:41
35k is overpriced for ANY hovel ANYWHERE in ex soviet countries the construction quality is appalling and frankly you put your life at risk living in these apartments, irrespective of the standard of remont
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Guest  (Guest) | 23.01.2009, 17:44
you should know that the workers who built 90% of the buildings in soviet times where paid by the sq m of bricks laid, peel away the facade and just look at the appalling work thats hidden
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Guest99  (Guest) | 24.01.2009, 01:29
Out of interest, how are western or independent Ukrainian bricklayers paid? By the hour? By the smile?
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Guest  (Guest) | 24.01.2009, 20:00
Sometimes bricklayers are paid by the brick here in Canada, yes. However, the same shoddy workmanship happens here in Canada also. It wasn\'t unique to Soviet times. I once lived in a condo (owned apartment) in British Columbia that was valued at $410,000. The $670,000 condo above was full of water leaks, as was nearly every other condo in the building (about 50 condos, if I remember correctly). The contractors who had built the building were long gone, and the owners had to pay about $30,000 each for repairs. Lawyers got about half that amount before any repairs started. When the repairs were completed, the economy started to decline, and the condos fell in value.
My father once owned a condo in Ottawa. When the people in the adjoining condo walked about in their condo, the floors moved in his condo. It was freezing cold in winter, and the doors never closed properly.
If you can\'t find happiness within yourself, you won\'t find it anywhere else. Time for tea
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Guest  (Guest) | 25.01.2009, 13:23
the western or independent ukrainian bricklayers?!?! would be getting paid by someone that gave a f^&k about the quality is the point i think you were trying to make
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Guest  (Guest) | 25.01.2009, 20:15
It\'s really the corrupt contractors who don\'t build \'up to standard\' who are the problem. I wouldn\'t
blame the bricklayers. Typically there\'s a rush to get the job done, to keep costs low and profits
high, and all before the banks call in their loans. The same thing happens in road and bridge
construction. About 6 people have been killed in Quebec in the last 2-3 years by falling highway bridges and falling ceilngs in underground parking garages. Investigations showed shoddy (bad)
construction and poor oversight (government inspectors) 30+ years before. They didn\'t do the inspections. Bribery is not suspected. Just poor human capital.
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